q wrote:Also please note the following "stretching" Auto Space bypass option (from page 256):
Doug Kerr wrote:Hi, q,
What does that have to do with "stretching"? It sounds like it has to do with bypassing Auto Align when notes are moved.
q wrote:I hope I'm not the source of any further confusion.
Doug Kerr wrote:No, I wasn't paying enough attention ...
In any case, in E/W 18.104.22.1683, I don't find any adjustment of note positions when I move the last note.
Hmmm. I thought Eveline confirmed that this form of stretching operated on windows, similarly to the Mac
Doug Kerr wrote:Are you saying that in 5 Mac, if you move the last note of a measure, it proportionally moves all the notes (just as if the barline were moved)?
Yes ... when Ctrl-dragging held on Encore Mac. But as mentioned, the result is uneven and erratic, and largely depends on which note you drag!
Doug Kerr wrote:Sounds like maybe a good idea.
It would be lovely if it operated sensibly.
Doug Kerr wrote:And this is then evidently another meaning of "stretching", different from the one mentioned on page 55.
It's quite different, though dragging the last note leftward produces a similar result. Everything is quirky. Dragging the first note rightward is like the Auto Space OFF left barline drag bug. It's quite "Through the Looking Glass".
Doug Kerr wrote:And where is this one mentioned in the manual? The item on page 256 tells how to do something without Auto Space, but it doesn't mention the something. And if the something is two kinds of stretching/squeezing (by barline, or by [last] note), then it isn't really Auto Space that happens anyway. In any case, the word "stretching" doesn't appear on page 256.
Sounds like you're talking about the Encore manual ...
Doug Kerr wrote:But there is a mention on page 232 (which I had thought pertained to moving barlines, not having read the whole passage). It talks about moving notes with Ctrl and Shift depressed to "stretch" (but that doesn't work in E/W 22.214.171.1243 either).
Unbelievable. I mean, never trust the Encore manual:
Â Â On the Mac Ctrl-Shift-click merely selects the note.
Did you try Alt? Ctrl is for Macâ€”and indeed on the Mac Ctrl-drag-note stretches the space between notes (much like barline "stretching" does in 4.5) and with at least as many of the 4.5 note collision/fusion bugs. See for yourself:
Doug Kerr wrote:That also talks about right-click-drag of the note for this purpose, but of course that couldn't work in 5.
I think I'm going to start creating erroneous User Manual corrections, just to see how many get added verbatim.
Doug Kerr wrote:
There is a lot of fascinating stuff in this paragraph on page 232:
If the clef change occurs at the end of a measure, first complete the measure before adding the clef. Select and justify the measure (optional). Unless the measure contents do not require extra space for the clef, you will probably need to create the needed space yourself. With Auto Space off, select the arrow tool and hold down both the [control] and [shift] keys. Then [right-click/command-click] on the last note in the measure and drag the note to the left until there is enough room to accommodate the new clef. You may want to widen the measure first by dragging its right barline further to the right. Using the [control] and [shift] keys while dragging a note â€˜stretchesâ€™ the measure contents for all staves. Using the [control] key without the [shift] key will stretch only the contents of the measure containing the selected note. When you have created enough space to accommodate the new clef, add the clef and continue.
Wild! It appears that the manual suggests two workarounds for every bug.
Doug Kerr wrote:I don't all care for functions that are only mentioned in a list of shortcut.