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q wrote:On the Mac, if I drag select the last note of a line, and shift drag select, Encore will tie notes, but it will NOT slur them.
Doug Kerr wrote:Yes, same here on Encore/Windows 5.0.2. Another unfortunate example of the inconsistency in implications of selections attained with different gestures.
Thanks for confirming this on windows. Beautiful description of the general problem and the UI issues at hand.
q wrote:I mistakenly thought the only way of slurring slur across lines is to shift+double-click the last note of line x, and shift-double-click the first note on line x + 1 ... but tonight's test shows that one CANNOT tie or slur across a end of line with this type of selection.
Doug Kerr wrote:I'm not familiar with selection by Shift+double-click - we do not have that in Encore/Windows 5.0.2. Thus I cannot test here that scenario.
In Encore/Windows 5.0.2, If I individually select the last note in a system with Shift+Click, then individually select the first note in the same staff in the subsequent system system with Shift+Click, I can apply a slur (with Ctrl-L) or a tie (with Ctrl+T), if the notes are eligible for a tie, which extends across the end of the first system.
Doug Kerr wrote:Curious difference between the two platform versions.
Thanks for your scrutinizing eye, Doug.
Indeed, Shift-clicking a note (and then the next) will indeed allow slurring—and if the notes are of the same pitch, tying is allowed, beaming is not allowed ... and when the user tries to beam the selection is lost. Actually the beam command works but ONLY to unbeam. And there is an option (at least on the Mac) to shift+double-click to select a note, and subsequent note(s) ... but slurring and tying fails with this type of selection.
This is truly messed up.
Encore is simple and intuitive in so many ways, but when we find peculiarities, they often run quite deep.
For a gander at some really odd stuff (possibly mac only) slowly shift-click a single note successively (slowly enough to fall below the double-click threshold.) In most applications the second shift-click would deselect a selected object; in Encore the object stays selected. Interestingly the third click does deselect—its behavior is what we'd expect from the second shift click. And there's more
Here's a summary of the behavior of successive shift-clicks:
- shift-click 1: selects note
shift-click 2: imparts no observable effect
shift-click 3: deselects the note
shift-click 4: imparts no observable effect
shift-click 5: appears to restart the cycle ( i.e. same result as shift-click 1, suggesting that this is a four-step cycle.