How about a command for changing face value only?

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Re: How about a command for changing face value only?

Postby polarbreeze » Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:29 am

q wrote:
q wrote:I want to change the face value and not change the duration.

matt wrote:why?

q wrote:For my editing workflow, for one. See attached score in previous post.

Make sense? Any interest in this?
Personally, no, because I am not interested in using MIDI output for performance - only for "auditioning" my score. Encore's current level of MIDI playback sophistication is more than enough for my needs. I think the niceties of performance playback would be the job of a sequencer such as MasterTracks Pro.

It's way more important for me that Encore's notation functionality continues to be bug-fixed and refined so that I can create scores more efficiently and with a more professional printed result.

I recognize that other users may have different priorities - it's a trade-off and it depends on GVOX's vision of what customer-base they want to target the product at.
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Re: How about a command for changing face value only?

Postby Doug Kerr » Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:36 am

Hi, p,

polarbreeze wrote:
q wrote:
q wrote:I want to change the face value and not change the duration.

matt wrote:why?

q wrote:For my editing workflow, for one. See attached score in previous post.

Make sense? Any interest in this?
Personally, no, because I am not interested in using MIDI output for performance - only for "auditioning" my score. Encore's current level of MIDI playback sophistication is more than enough for my needs. I think the niceties of performance playback would be the job of a sequencer such as MasterTracks Pro.

Do you know that Encore does indeed have a function that changes the face value but leaves the duration unchanged? Some people did not know of it (myself, for one, until last night).

Thus we need not even consider expending any resources on it that could be better spent elsewhere.

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Re: How about a command for changing face value only?

Postby polarbreeze » Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:58 pm

Doug Kerr wrote:Do you know that Encore does indeed have a function that changes the face value but leaves the duration unchanged? Some people did not know of it (myself, for one, until last night).
Pray tell!
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Re: How about a command for changing face value only?

Postby stavro » Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:28 pm

I thought I’d be positive and say that I do express an interest in this. Yes, Encore is a score-writing program, but it’s important not to forget that another major user base is those who utilise the MIDI capabilities for composing. I compose a lot with Encore, and it really is one of the best tools there is. I’m all for anything that improves MIDI capability and I like the idea of changing duration’s without affecting the score. However, it does seem that it’s already possible using the aforementioned keyboard shortcuts. Just tried it in 4.5 as well, and it works. Thanks to Doug for that tip. :D
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Re: How about a command for changing face value only?

Postby Denkster » Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:48 pm

Hi Polarbreeze,
polarbreeze wrote:
Doug Kerr wrote:Do you know that Encore does indeed have a function that changes the face value but leaves the duration unchanged? Some people did not know of it (myself, for one, until last night).
Pray tell!

Ha! You just confirmed my suspicion: you do not always read the thread before writing your reaction!
You only have to read six posts back for your answer. :cry:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2675&st=0&sk=t&sd=a#p15319

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Re: How about a command for changing face value only?

Postby polarbreeze » Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:52 pm

Denkster wrote:Hi Polarbreeze,
Ha! You just confirmed my suspicion: you do not always read the thread before writing your reaction!
You only have to read six posts back for your answer. :cry:
http://www.gvox.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... d=a#p15319
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Re: How about a command for changing face value only?

Postby q » Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:40 pm

Doug Kerr wrote: ... Encore does indeed have a function that changes the face value but leaves the duration unchanged? Some people did not know of it (myself, for one, until last night).Doug

Yes. I was unaware of Encore's "change face value only" function ... or I wouldn't have made this request.

Evidently the original developers saw some importance in such a feature.

I tested it briefly since you discovered it last night Doug. Very nice. Does exactly what I want! I'll go read up on it. Maybe post something in Product Manual Corrections: particularly that there's " no mention of it in the section of the manual describing change in note face value from the keyboard (p. 82, page not labeled)".

Thanks Doug!

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Re: How about a command for changing face value only?

Postby q » Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:39 pm

stavro wrote:Encore is a score-writing program, but it’s important not to forget that another major user base is those who utilise the MIDI capabilities for composing. I compose a lot with Encore, and it really is one of the best tools there is.

I've tried many notation applications and I too like Encore best. Even the products of the prime competitors seem arcane and stodgy.

stavro wrote: I’m all for anything that improves MIDI capability.

I think we're all interested in expanded MIDI capability in Encore, I certainly am ... but as pb cautions, Encore's main purpose to produce notation.

Nevertheless, creating and editing notation is much more pleasant when it's based on a well-honed, well-editied MIDI foundation, thus the need for stronger 'sequencing' tools. Directly alongside this need, there exist plenty of purely notational concerns in Encore that need attention. Of course, since there are limited development resources, striking a balance means compromise, sacrifice and doing what's best for Encore — which means satisfying the most customers. Therefore we should continue to express our preferences.

Personally I think Encore has incredible tool with wide ranging potential, and it is right around the bend from becoming much more than a notation application.
stavro wrote:... I like the idea of changing duration’s without affecting the score.

... that functionality of course already exists with Change Durations. Perhaps you meant 'changing face value without changing durations' ... which is what this thread is about.

stavro wrote: ... it does seem that [changing face value only is] already possible using the aforementioned keyboard shortcuts. Just tried it in 4.5 as well, and it works.

Thanks to Doug for that tip. :D

Indeed! Hats off to Doug.
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