How about a command for changing face value only?

[q]

 
Am I overlooking something? As far as I can tell, Encore has no command for setting face value without simultaneously changing the note's duration. I often need to do this with polyphonic instruments like guitar. (I'll provide an example when I get a chance.)

Here are some background concepts. A note's face value and it's sounding duration may differ in an Encore score. The duration of a note my exceed the face value of a note, or it may be less than the face value of a note. This makes sense, and corresponds to the various concepts of musical interpretation.

In the Duration dialog, we can change the duration of a note without affecting its face value. We can also make the duration match a percent (including 100%) of face value.

I often use the numeric keypad (1,2,3,4,5,6) to change the face value of a selection, but this also changes the duration!

I do not see a command for setting face value without changing durations. Seems like this functionality should exist.

q

[q]

 
Here's an example score that illustrates how the numeric pad changes face values AND durations.



Face Value Always Changes Duration.enc.zip

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[Doug Kerr]

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As far as I can tell, Encore has no command for setting face value without simultaneously changing the note's duration. Am I overlooking something?

I don't think so.

Encore's behavior when changing face value is curious.

I start with a half note (face duration 480 ticks) and set the duration fraction to 75% (360 ticks).

Then, using the Change Duration dialog, I change its face value to whole note (face=960 ticks). I do not check the change durations box.

The actual duration of the note is now 900 ticks.

That is not 75% of the face. It is not 90% of the new face. And the "gap" (now 60 ticks) is not the gap we had before (120 ticks).

I'm sure there is some fascinating concept behind that.

I do not see a command for setting face value without changing durations. Seems like this functionality should exist.

Could you help me with an example of when and where you would make use of that?

Doug

[matt-olddev]

in what circumstances would you want :

+ to change the face value and not have the default 90% of the new duration?

+ to change the face value and not change the duration?

[Doug Kerr]

Hi, Matt,

in what circumstances would you want :

+ to change the face value and not have the default 90% of the new duration?

A very good question. However, that is not what Encore does today.

• I have a half note (face=480) with a duration of 360 (75% of face). I change the face to whole note (face 960). Now the note duration is 900 (93.75% of face).

• I have a half note (face=480) with a duration of 480 (100% of face). I change the face to whole note (face 960). Now the note duration is 900 (93.75% of face).

• I have a half note (face=480) with a duration of 360 (75% of face). I change the face to quarter note (face 240). Now the note duration is 225 (93.75% of face).

Maybe this is a bug.

Doug

[q]

in what circumstances would you want :

+ to change the face value and not have the default 90% of the new duration?

+ to change the face value and not change the duration?

I'll explain "in what circumstances" in an upcoming post.

In general, I want to change the face value and not change the duration.

But I can see usefulness in "not have the default 90% of the new duration".

Thanks for considering this!

q

[Doug Kerr]

Hi, q,

in what circumstances would you want :

+ to change the face value and not have the default 90% of the new duration?

+ to change the face value and not change the duration?

Mainly the latter: I want to change the face value and not change the duration.

But I can see usefulness in "not have the default 90% of the new duration".

Well, you're in luck. It already isn't 90% of the new duration!

Doug

[q]

Hi, q,

in what circumstances would you want :

+ to change the face value and not have the default 90% of the new duration?

+ to change the face value and not change the duration?

Mainly the latter: I want to change the face value and not change the duration.

But I can see usefulness in "not have the default 90% of the new duration".

Well, you're in luck. It already isn't 90% of the new duration!

Doug

Right! Some luck.

[matt-olddev]

Mainly the latter: I want to change the face value and not change the duration.
q

why?

[q]

I want to change the face value and not change the duration.

why?

For my editing workflow, for one. See attached score.

To reiterate ... my editing workflow includes steps where I want to change a note's face value but not the note's duration. The attached score illustrates an example of this.

Face Value Change.enc.zip

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[q]

I want to change the face value and not change the duration.

why?

For my editing workflow, for one. See attached score in previous post.

Make sense? Any interest in this?

The concepts of face value and duration are already fairly independent. Why not complete the equation? Allow users to set a note's face value without impact on the note's duration?

This would be important to anyone wanting to edit face values in a score while wanting to maintain as much of the performance characteristics as possible. This option is important in preserving guitar interpretations, whether they are created through real-time recording, or placed into Encore by other means, such as MIDI import.

A previously attached score shows a situation where my workflow needs this feature—because I need to preserve original performance durations while lengthening the face value of a note. To date this is impossible.

q

[Doug Kerr]

Hi, q,

The Encore 5 manual (V3.1) says at the bottom of p. 243 that if we use shift plus a keyboard number to change the face values of the selected notes the durations are retained!

Sounds like it works

Doug

[q]

 
Wow. Is that an Easter egg?

So ... you just happened on that Doug?

You're either the poster child or patron saint of the "Read the User Manual" campaign.

Thanks!

q

[Doug Kerr]

Hi, q,

Wow. Is that an Easter egg?

So ... you just happened on that Doug?

Yep! "Better lucky than good".

Best regards,

Doug

[Doug Kerr]

It is interesting that this function is listed in the "Shortcuts" (meaning, "Keyboard shortcuts") chart in the Encore 5 manual, V3.1, near the bottom of page 273 (using the unrecognizable graphic symbol for "shift").

There seems to be no mention of it in the section of the manual describing change in note face value from the keyboard (p. 82, page not labeled).

Doug