Reminder Time & Key Signatures

[commnthings]

E5.0.2Win, running Windows XP SP3

In E502W the Show/Hide dialog for the Time and Key signatures does NOT work. I open the dialog, uncheck the boxes, and click OK. The Reminders still show and when I reopen the dialog both boxes are still checked.

I think this worked OK in E501W.

Bob

[Doug Kerr]

Hi, Bob,

E5.0.2Win, running Windows XP SP3

In E502W the Show/Hide dialog for the Time and Key signatures does NOT work. I open the dialog, uncheck the boxes, and click OK. The Reminders still show and when I reopen the dialog both boxes are still checked.

[Sigh.] Confirmed here.

Doug

[commnthings]

[Sigh.]

Sigh?

Bob

[q]

[Sigh.]

Sigh?

Bob

I think Doug is expressing exasperation that a simple Boolean toggle was broken sometime before the release of 5.02; a toggle that was working fine for as long as anyone can remember.

q

[Doug Kerr]

I think Doug is expressing exasperation that a simple Boolean toggle was broken sometime before the release of 5.02; a toggle that was working fine before.

Safety first.
3543 days without an on the job accident.
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Doug

[Rob M.]

Hi, Bob,

E5.0.2Win, running Windows XP SP3

In E502W the Show/Hide dialog for the Time and Key signatures does NOT work. I open the dialog, uncheck the boxes, and click OK. The Reminders still show and when I reopen the dialog both boxes are still checked.

[Sigh.] Confirmed here.

And here too. Is there any likelihood of a fix in the near future?

[Andre]

FWIW, E500W and E501W perform correctly (I mean as expected).

When opening a file, E502W keeps the setting saved in (say) E501W, but as soon as one of the two is changed both are forced to "ticked".

A bypass is to open the file in E501W or E500W to set these settings as desired.

Not a reason to not fix the bug, though.

[commnthings]

...open the file in E501W or E500W to set these settings as desired.

Andre,

Unfortunately, I no longer have E500W or E501W installed. E502W overwrote the older version.

Can you even have E501W and E502W installed simultaneously? I know you can have E5 and E4.5 both active.

Regards,

Bob

[Doug Kerr]

Hi, Bob,

...open the file in E501W or E500W to set these settings as desired.

Unfortunately, I no longer have E500W or E501W installed. E502W overwrote the older version.

Can you even have E501W and E502W installed simultaneously?

I think not.

Best regards,

Doug

[Rob M.]

I'm assuming this is a related bug, so I'm posting here instead of in a new thread...

I'm currently working on a psalm setting that involves alternating alla misura and senza misura sections. Of course, I want time signatures only in the alla misura sections -- and (where possible), I want the alla misura sections at the top of the page because they are antiphons that start the next section of the work. I also want the antiphons inset about an inch from the margin to set them off from the other systems.

The inability to hide meter change reminders has the effect that there is a meter change reminder at the right end of the system at the bottom of the page. Adjusting the length of that system or the last bar in that system usually results in a re-drawing of the system so that it ends at the barline before the meter change reminder, leaving the meter change reminder on its own at the appropriate vertical position but entirely outside that system.

On some occasions, the last bar of the system simply disappears from sight, along with the meter change reminder. Any notes or lyrics within that bar usually remain visible. Sometimes the final bar line for that system will also remain visible, but disconnected from the system.

Flowing the last bar out of that system (and onto the next page), then flowing it back again results in a re-drawing of the system which is correct. The reverse process (flowing an additional bar in from the following system, then back out again also works. But that results in a shortening of the final bar of the system, and sometimes also results in the cancellation of the inset applied to the antiphon at the top of the next page.

And unfortunately, the aberration will sometimes spontaneously re-appear. What actions are contributing to the re-appearance of the incorrect drawing of the system is something I haven't yet been able to identify. This does not always happen; it is possible that there is a corruption or incorrect entry of some kind on the page(s) that exhibit this behaviour.

[Denkster]

Hi Rob,
Sounds to me as a very serious BUG

kind regards
Eveline

[Andre]

Can you even have E501W and E502W installed simultaneously? I know you can have E5 and E4.5 both active.

Indeed, the standard installation procedures replace the previous modules.
What I had done once was to copy the current installation folders elsewhere, then to install an update, which replaced the current version by a new one in the standard folder. Later on I found out by curiosity that the copied "then old" modules were running normally, so I made a specific shortcut for that version.

Looking further when migrating from E501W to E502W I checked which files were actually changed. It turned out that I only had to copy the old "Encore.exe" as "Encore_501.exe" into the new product folder (and make a shortcut). Of course with some upgrades it could be so that other files are needed, and that an "Encore_500" folder would be a more general alternative.

I'm conscious that this is not a "supported environment". Also that I may be mixing an old module with registry entries from the most recent version. But for the purpose of checking the evolution of problems or differences it was great.

Those who would like to setup this way could perhaps find old modules in a backup. Reinstalling the old versions from the appropriate downloads is possible but requires quite some care.

[Rob M.]

Hi Rob,
Sounds to me as a very serious BUG

You'll get no argument from me on that point! It's a d..n nuisance, and has had me correcting the same aberration multiple times. There have been too many times I wanted to nudge a hyphen in the lyrics, and picked up the bar line instead, which promptly triggered the mis-drawing of the final bar in the system.

I wonder: have others encountered this behaviour? I ask because I am quite sure that I have not identified all of the elements that set up the aberration, and I'm hoping that others can define factors I've missed so that Matt can deal with the bug.

[Andre]

I'm assuming this is a related bug, so I'm posting here instead of in a new thread...
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On some occasions, the last bar of the system simply disappears from sight, along with the meter change reminder. Any notes or lyrics within that bar usually remain visible. Sometimes the final bar line for that system will also remain visible, but disconnected from the system.

Flowing the last bar out of that system (and onto the next page), then flowing it back again results in a re-drawing of the system which is correct. The reverse process (flowing an additional bar in from the following system, then back out again also works. But that results in a shortening of the final bar of the system, and sometimes also results in the cancellation of the inset applied to the antiphon at the top of the next page.

And unfortunately, the aberration will sometimes spontaneously re-appear. What actions are contributing to the re-appearance of the incorrect drawing of the system is something I haven't yet been able to identify. This does not always happen; it is possible that there is a corruption or incorrect entry of some kind on the page(s) that exhibit this behaviour.

Rob, it seems clear that the impossibility to untick both "reminders" from the "show list" is a bug.
I understand that you actually have a need for a bypass, but developing a bypass often requires to navigate close to the "reliability limits".
I don't really understand how you can drag the "page end bar" furter right so that the time reminder gets hidden. The only component of a measure that I happened to see hidden "too much at right" is a coda phrase.

My preferred bypass in your case would be to have an empty measure on top of the page, very small and without right barline, just before the meter change.

[Andre]

There have been too many times I wanted to nudge a hyphen in the lyrics, and picked up the bar line instead, which promptly triggered the mis-drawing of the final bar in the system.

I wonder: have others encountered this behaviour? I ask because I am quite sure that I have not identified all of the elements that set up the aberration, and I'm hoping that others can define factors I've missed so that Matt can deal with the bug.

Rob, I think that this time you are too much out of subject of this thread. The fact that two anomalies could be qualified as aberrations does not really justify documenting them together.

Yes, I had this too often too, that I wanted to select a lyric and I had the mar line instead. Particularly a hyphen indeed, since it's place "on the barline" is rather frequent. With choral works, one will generally "break the barlines" between the staves of a given system. The mentioned problem never happens when the lyrics are under the last staff of the system - where the barlines never extent. I would say that "broken barlines" behave rather as "hidden barlines".

In the past, barlines could be dragged only from their intersection with the top staff line. I feel that may have been better.