Doug Kerr wrote:I feel it is urgent to provide a way to nullify the affect of Swing Playback.
...a practical compromise would be to have the "remove swing" tool put the start times back to those implied by the notation and set the play durations to the Encore default (or perhaps to the current default on the Change Durations dialog).
polarbreeze wrote:Hmm, it seems to me that I routinely apply "swing" and then can later retract that by doing "align playback" - and I've never had any problem doing that. Am I misunderstanding the issue...?
Denkster wrote:Note: the first note in the piano roll starts before time =0 ??? Or is that a cursor line?
Note: Swing Playback altered start time AND duration of notes
Note: Align Playback corrected the start times, but not the durations.
Doug Kerr wrote: ... once we have applied swing to the notes in one or more measures, there is no way to revert to the previous state of the notes. (I am not speaking about Undo - that seems to work fine if applied before any other editing.) We cannot put the notes back to their pre-swing state (as intimated by the Manual) with Align Playback. I feel it is urgent to provide a way to nullify the affect of Swing Playback.
Ideally, the "remove swing" tool would put the notes back as they were before, both in terms of start time and initial duration.
... a practical compromise would be to have the "remove swing" tool put the start times back to those implied by the notation and set the play durations to the Encore default (or perhaps to the current default on the Change Durations dialog).
Perhaps all that is needed here is to fix things so that Align Playback, in the face of this situation, does what it is always intended to do: make the start times of the notes match the notation. (I don't know today what Align Playback, in an "ordinary" situation, does with regard to durations - I'll do some more testing.)
Doug Kerr wrote:Note that today there is no practical way to remove the effect of swing adjustment - not even a tedious one. We can use "Change Durations) to restore the durations, but we have no direct way to change the start times to match the notation (that's the main thing Align Playback is supposed to do, but it doesn't in this case). All we can do is delete all the notes in the measure and re-enter them. (Fortunately, that seems to work.)
1) we SHOULD HAVE THE OPTION for preserving Note Off time. When I swing a pair of eights, indeed I delay the onset of the second note, but RARELY would I delay the release of that note by the same amount.
Doug Kerr wrote:If ... we hold the actual end time of the second note absolutely constant, then for smaller second note initial durations and maximum swing, the second note becomes terribly short.
q wrote:Of course the reduction % increases depends on the original shortness of the note, right? If you're suggesting that "terribly short" means a duration reduction of 10% or less on average, I don't think that's so terrible. If I played a pretty short real-time note, straight or swing, I probably wanted that ... straight or swing.
eeeek! IT'S BROKEN!! That's not good at all. Really bad bug. "Swing" used to be reversible on earlier versions but it no longer is. It seems that "align playback" restores the note beginnings to square eighths; however, it does not restore the durations to their right values. Furthermore, "guess durations" does not correct the problem either. This is quite a mess, needs fixing badly. Matt, please set aside all the theroizing about how the swing ought to be "improved" - just please let's put it back the way it was before it got broken!!!!Denkster wrote:polarbreeze wrote:Hmm, it seems to me that I routinely apply "swing" and then can later retract that by doing "align playback" - and I've never had any problem doing that. Am I misunderstanding the issue...?
Hard to believe, indeed.
It used to work ok, but in Enc5.0.2Wb3, it does not.
Please check what the result of Swing Playback + Align Playback does in the most recent beta for Mac?
I think it's really simple and easy to use the way it is now and I would not be in favour of any change. The "percentage slider" concept is elegant and easy to understand. Why change it?anaigeon wrote:I'd rather suggest that the swing dialog allows to enter a percentage for each note value (in the same dialog), with a "On/Off" check box for each of them.
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