Second Lyric Voice

[Doug Kerr]

Hi, John,

Do you really need me to explain every sentence I write here, even though it is taken out of context and placed in a single reply and infers that it does not make sence?

I can't be sure to whom this was directed. You didn't say. Perhaps to me.

If so, no, I don't need that.

In any case, I apologize for having intruded into what I should have realized was a private customer support conversation between you and Mr. couzens.

Best regards,

Doug

[Rob M.]

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Click in the first measure on the note you want to start your lyrics.
There wil be no indication that it is ready for lyric entry, just start typing your first word.

Thank you for that statement.

The manual indicates that I should expect to see an insert cursor appear under the note clicked on. As you point out, that cursor doesn't appear until at least one character has been entered. I do hope that inconsistency will be rectified in a later version of Encore or the manual.

The failure of the insert cursor to appear under the note clicked on is disconcerting, and can persuade a user that he is not in lyrics entry mode. So I do hope that Encore's behaviour can be brought into line with the manual, rather than the other way around.

[q]

...
Click in the first measure on the note you want to start your lyrics.
There wil be no indication that it is ready for lyric entry, just start typing your first word.

The manual indicates that I should expect to see an insert cursor appear under the note clicked on ... I do hope that Encore's behaviour can be brought into line with the manual, rather than the other way around.

Agreed.

The present lack of a lyric "insertion point" is a bug and a loss of prior behavior. The insertion point is a significant and guiding element of the lyric UI. The appropriate response would be to restore the behavior, not to "downgrade" that portion of the User Manual.

q

[Doug Kerr]

Hi, q,

The present lack of a lyric "insertion point" is a bug and a loss of prior behavior. The insertion point is a significant and guiding element of the lyric UI. The appropriate response would be to restore the behavior, not to "downgrade" that portion of the User Manual.

I agree.

This is to confirm that Encore/Windows 5.0.2 does not have a lyric particle insertion point indicator. I find this unnerving.

Best regards,

Doug

[John Miller]

I believe we are all agreed that the lack of a cross-hair to click on a note and define the lyric insertion point is a Bug and the old lyric insert behavior should be reinstated.

[commnthings]

Here's the original Bug report.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2828

Bob

[polarbreeze]

I believe we are all agreed that the lack of a cross-hair to click on a note and define the lyric insertion point is a Bug and the old lyric insert behavior should be reinstated.

I don't think that's it. The crosshair is used to identify the note to which the lyric particle is to be related. But once you click it, the cursor is supposed to appear on the lyric line. The latter is what is currently missing in the Windows version and that is the bug.

[John Miller]

I believe we are all agreed that the lack of a cross-hair to click on a note and define the lyric insertion point is a Bug and the old lyric insert behavior should be reinstated.

I don't think that's it. The crosshair is used to identify the note to which the lyric particle is to be related. But once you click it, the cursor is supposed to appear on the lyric line. The latter is what is currently missing in the Windows version and that is the bug.

I am missing both, and want both the Cross=hair to designate which note and or syllable of my Lyric to beattached o as well as a "blinking cursor" indicating the correct position need to be reinstated.

I only receive the regular Arrow cursor to click on the note where I want to begin writing my lyric.
I also do not get any behavior from the sotware indicating I am in the correct place to start adding lyrics.

IMHO Both are important.

Regards,

John Miller

Encore 5.0.2
Win7 64bit Intel Duo Core

[Doug Kerr]

Hi, John,

I am missing both, and want both the Cross=hair to designate which note . . .

Why is a crosshair better than an arrow? We use the arrow to finger the wanted note for other reasons (selection, etc.).

And when did we ever have a crosshair for that anyway? Certainly not in Encore/Windows 4.5.5.

Of course it had the lyrics entry cursor, which is certainly needed again.

Best regards,

Doug

[polarbreeze]

Why is a crosshair better than an arrow?

The cursor changing to a crosshair provides the user with the feedback that they're in lyric entry mode (and pencil state).

We use the arrow to finger the wanted note for other reasons (selection, etc.).

In arrow state, not usually in pencil state.

And when did we ever have a crosshair for that anyway? Certainly not in Encore/Windows 4.5.5.

In Encore Mac 5.0. The issue here is really simple. The lyric entry functionality was upgraded in Mac 5.0 and it works fine now. The task is to upgrade Win 5.0 to the same standard.

[Doug Kerr]

Hi, p,

And when did we ever have a crosshair for that anyway? Certainly not in Encore/Windows 4.5.5.

In Encore Mac 5.0.

Thanks. Didn't know that.

The issue here is really simple. The lyric entry functionality was upgraded in Mac 5.0 and it works fine now. The task is to upgrade Win 5.0 to the same standard.

Sounds good to me.

Doug

[Rob M.]

Why is a crosshair better than an arrow?

The cursor changing to a crosshair provides the user with the feedback that they're in lyric entry mode (and pencil state).

We use the arrow to finger the wanted note for other reasons (selection, etc.).

Hmmm. Why not use a pencil icon as the cursor pointer in pencil mode? I think it would be a better reminder to the user as to which mode he's in -- especially if he didn't intend to be in pencil mode.

[Doug Kerr]

Hi, Rob,

Hmmm. Why not use a pencil icon as the cursor pointer in pencil mode?

Even in Notes or Clefs state?

Best regards,

Doug

[Doug Kerr]

By the way, in E/W 5.0.2, once we enter the first lyric particle we get an insertion cursor.

Doug

[Laurentien]

[quote]Has anyone out here tested the lyrics in the latest versions of the software for Windows?
On March 30, 2010, John Miller wrote: " Has someone out here tested the lyrics in the latest versions of the software for Windows?
I'm using EncoreFRA, 5.0.2.557 updated to 5.0.2.593, with PC operating under Windows 7, 64 bits.
Since the last update, every time I try to write a second line of lyrics, the software crashes and I must use the Text tool for additional lines of lyrics.
Has someone else encountered the same issue with identical softwares and found a better solution?
Laurentien